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I’ll just say it! I will probably get smacked because of this but hey why not push the boundaries of what's Ok a little bit. Its my nature. I’ve spent some looking through these threads and frankly most of them sound like a bunch of high school boys who have never done nothing but looked a porn magazines running around chasing girls.

A real sigma man does not chase girls, appears needy, or sounds desperate. Women chase sigma men, sigma men don’t chase women. To start with, if you want to turn a women off then appear needy. When you appear desperate or needy to a woman her mommy switch will shut on immediately and instead of saying please slam me on the bed she wants to take care for you and pet you. Of course that also depends on her age range.

Good grief, haven't any of you people watched Rollo Tomassi https://youtu.be/tOlxSBPkvz0

This forum sounds like another bunch of desperate guys try to get a quick hookup. I really would like to see this forum be high quality. I personally don’t need another woman in my life but for every one else here, I really would like to see tons of girls circling this forum like a bunch of sharks looking for real sigma guys. Maybe this forum can be used as a way to connect. 

 

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27 minutes ago, ChompChomp said:

A real sigma man does not chase girls, appears needy, or sounds desperate. Women chase sigma men, sigma men don’t chase women.

You're wrong.  First, check out this post if you haven't already : 

Second, it does NOT appear needy or desparate to chase women.   It's all about perception and leading.  Please read the linked thread above which gives more of an insight, but I will say that approaching women is one of the most masculine things a man can do.  It takes real balls to walk up to a girl you really like the look of, a genuinely hot girl, in broad daylight and try to get it on with her.   I've personally met tough guys - literal fighting men - who simply cannot do it.  

27 minutes ago, ChompChomp said:

Good grief, haven't any of you people watched Rollo Tomassi https://youtu.be/tOlxSBPkvz0

HUGE red flag that you're posting this guy as an authority.  Rollo Tomassi is the king of the Gammas.  Show me 1 piece of evidence that he can attract hot women - not just now, but at any point in his life.  Just 1.

Show me any examples of people talking about his ability with women.  1 example of any proven bona fides with attractive women.  

The man is a textbook Gamma.  I say this as someone who he studied and wrote about back in the day on the basis of one of my infield videos (and no, I cannot be bothered to look it up)

Now, I will say that I share your frustration that not enough guys are posting on their actual experience in going out , chatting to women and so on.  But bear in mind our membership base is still small, but growing, and the forum is only just over 2 months old.  It takes time for a community to grow.  

There are already guys on here posting about their experiences daygaming / nightgaming - have a look around and you'll find them.  That is highly commendable and a big part of what the forum should be about.  These are men that should be respected.

I get very tired indeed of hearing this waffle that hot women approach sigma men.  It's complete horseshit and gainsays every single principle of the sexual marketplace.  They might hover around and make it obvious they're open to an approach, but it's almost always the man that has to make the first move. 

Every man needs game for the most attractive women.  I don't care if you're 6"5 with a 9 inch dick and millions in the bank...If you want the very best women, you absolutely need game, period.  Very few men understand this instinctively and the only way you can get it is by going out and attempting to pick up women.  There are no shortcuts.

I thank you for posting this provocative post however.   It's good to get it out in the open.   

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Hmmmm. I still hold my position. All this seems to be your perspective as with the test, you seem so confident in. What qualifies you to make that test and why should it be considered so valid? The fact is, it is just my word against yours. What we need is an unbiased view from a collection of girls. If I pick the source then it has the potential to become biased in my favor and if you pick then it could be biased in your favor. Data doesn't lie. I'm stewing on how to do this. I will get back with you. Any ideas?

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5 minutes ago, ChompChomp said:

Hmmmm. I still hold my position. All this seems to be your perspective as with the test, you seem so confident in. What qualifies to make that test and why should it be considered so valid? The fact is, it is just my word against yours. What we need is an unbiased view from a collection of girls. If I pick the source then it has the potential to become biased in my favor and if you pick then it could be biased in your favor. Data doesn't lie. I'm stewing on how to do this. I will get back with you. Any ideas?

Not sure what data you're looking for and what you're trying to prove. 

  • That really hot women approach men?
  • That it's needy to approach women?
  • That the men who post on here are "a bunch of high school boys who have never done nothing but looked a porn magazines running around chasing girls."
  • That Rollo Tomassi picks up hot girls?

But sure do whatever you want.  It's all good my man.

 

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Just now, ChompChomp said:

I'm trying to prove the point that women do not find it attractive for a man to chase her and him to appear desperate and needy. 

 

Backing up there quite a bit  my friend - go back and reread your original post.  You said a lot more than that.   

I have to go and watch England play soon - but let's deal with this point.

Is approaching a woman - whether in broad daylight or indeed any environment - "desparate and needy".  By definition.  The act of approaching a woman automatically makes a man "desparate and needy".  

Is that your position? 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, Steve Jabba said:

I get very tired indeed of hearing this waffle that hot women approach sigma men.  It's complete horseshit and gainsays every single principle of the sexual marketplace.  They might hover around and make it obvious they're open to an approach, but it's almost always the man that has to make the first move. 

I am amazed so many people think otherwise...

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4 minutes ago, Steve Jabba said:

Backing up there quite a bit  my friend - go back and reread your original post.  You said a lot more than that.   

I have to go and watch England play soon - but let's deal with this point.

Is approaching a woman - whether in broad daylight or indeed any environment - "desparate and needy".  By definition.  The act of approaching a woman automatically makes a man "desparate and needy".  

Is that your position? 

 

 

 

I did say more but the root of the matter is in finding the answer to that question. 

Yes it's my position. It does. Specifically if it is strictly for sex.

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1 hour ago, ChompChomp said:

A real sigma man does not chase girls, appears needy, or sounds desperate.

Hmm, this contradicts my experience as well. Whilst an attractive woman will occasionally open you, they're generally a type of woman: domineering and bold (read: generally; not always); personally, I'm agnostic on women like this...but they do require strong boundaries or else they'll walk all over you.

The VAST majority will NEVER open you. Frankly, they've too many options. They may notice you but have very little impetus to pursue beyond the classic tells: eye contact and proximity; & if in conversation, a strange enthusiasm for everything you say and a sluice of unearned laughter...to the point of seeming excessive. 

The better question is WHY wouldn't you want to pursue the women of your desires: I, for one, would HATE the passivity of twiddling me thumbs on the chance that a woman might find me; most women CRAVE BOLDER men; any man who's spent time with tip-top women has heard it before: most men are absolute diddly dawdlers, yonic even; men enter women; not women into men.

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ALSO I'm an above-average looking guy; I've had maybe 5 women in my life walk up to me and give me their number--out of the blue, no words exchanged between us. If I waited on them, I'd at best have 5 dates over the course of my life; yeah, no thanks.

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5 minutes ago, ChompChomp said:

To approach a woman because you are interested in her and chase a women because you are needy for sex are two different things.

"Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive." and I simply don't have the patience or let the opportunity slip by in my life to bang hotties. Just like @maurice_bendrix I'm being blessed with high quality genes (1m90, dark hair, +8/10 face), upper middle class family, and let me tell you that I second what Maurice has said in this thread. The whole american dream of "build value and they will come" is BS, old order patriarchal thinking.

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32 minutes ago, ChompChomp said:

Is approaching a woman - whether in broad daylight or indeed any environment - "desparate and needy".  By definition.  The act of approaching a woman automatically makes a man "desparate and needy".  

 

32 minutes ago, ChompChomp said:

Yes it's my position


How often do women approach you?

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5 minutes ago, ChompChomp said:

To approach a woman because you are interested in her and chase a women because you are needy for sex are two different things.

Fair enough: it is a fine balance; you can go too far in either direction; I've been left high and dry because of aloofness; honestly, women DESIRE romance; they don't want sycophancy but they do want the right kind of attention.

I've worked as a florist for 7 years; in the realm of dating, I've also been a type of conduit between these things: folks, it does require calibration.

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14 minutes ago, Jabberon said:

I think you lads have scared him off. ☺️

By the way this is Steve. Test account to...test various things.

 

scared him off...lol. I promote free speech and individuality on here, debates open up interesting perspectives.

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4 hours ago, ChompChomp said:

I’ll just say it! I will probably get smacked because of this but hey why not push the boundaries of what's Ok a little bit. Its my nature. I’ve spent some looking through these threads and frankly most of them sound like a bunch of high school boys who have never done nothing but looked a porn magazines running around chasing girls.

A real sigma man does not chase girls, appears needy, or sounds desperate. Women chase sigma men, sigma men don’t chase women. To start with, if you want to turn a women off then appear needy. When you appear desperate or needy to a woman her mommy switch will shut on immediately and instead of saying please slam me on the bed she wants to take care for you and pet you. Of course that also depends on her age range.

Good grief, haven't any of you people watched Rollo Tomassi https://youtu.be/tOlxSBPkvz0

This forum sounds like another bunch of desperate guys try to get a quick hookup. I really would like to see this forum be high quality. I personally don’t need another woman in my life but for every one else here, I really would like to see tons of girls circling this forum like a bunch of sharks looking for real sigma guys. Maybe this forum can be used as a way to connect. 

 

Where exactly on the forum have you seen this behaviour exhibited?  I haven't read every thread, but I wouldn't say  I've witnessed desperation. 

It's the man more often than not, that takes the initiative to approach a woman and instigate a conversation.  That's not being "needy" that's being a man.  Waiting for a woman to take the initiative to talk to you, is cowardly and the complete opposite.

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4 hours ago, ChompChomp said:

I'm trying to prove the point that women do not find it attractive for a man to chase her and him to appear desperate and needy. 

 

 

The vast majority of women do not approach men. The best way to get good looking women to detest you is by standing around a place where there are loads of them and not being bothered to approach or wait for them to do it.  They will think A) You are socially retarded or B) Just a dick (and a little micro penis at that)

In fact one can argue nowadays that approaching woman is a sigma trait considering that we live in a day and age where less and less of it is happening. Only the men who  go against the grain and have some sense of social freedom are doing the approaching.

 

 

 

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Sorry for being gone so long today but I have been busy.

The fact is if you adhere to the true personality traits of Sigma Male you will not chase women around like a bunch of alpha males beating their chest. A true Sigma Male prizes this power and utilizes it. It is one of the things that women find most attractive, curious, appealing, etc. Don't do this because people will reach a point where Sigma's are perceived to act like alphas. The truth is if it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and has feathers, its a duck.

 

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8 hours ago, ChompChomp said:

I’ll just say it! I will probably get smacked because of this but hey why not push the boundaries of what's Ok a little bit. Its my nature. I’ve spent some looking through these threads and frankly most of them sound like a bunch of high school boys who have never done nothing but looked a porn magazines running around chasing girls.

A real sigma man does not chase girls, appears needy, or sounds desperate. Women chase sigma men, sigma men don’t chase women. To start with, if you want to turn a women off then appear needy. When you appear desperate or needy to a woman her mommy switch will shut on immediately and instead of saying please slam me on the bed she wants to take care for you and pet you. Of course that also depends on her age range.

Good grief, haven't any of you people watched Rollo Tomassi https://youtu.be/tOlxSBPkvz0

This forum sounds like another bunch of desperate guys try to get a quick hookup. I really would like to see this forum be high quality. I personally don’t need another woman in my life but for every one else here, I really would like to see tons of girls circling this forum like a bunch of sharks looking for real sigma guys. Maybe this forum can be used as a way to connect. 

 

I see what you saying the way I see it is learning the signals girls give regarding attraction and acting on that, that's not chasing it's an invitation. Hunting in the street not my thing may work on it but not that interested I'll wait and see what I notice when out and about. 

All the best. 

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17 hours ago, ChompChomp said:

I’ll just say it! I will probably get smacked because of this but hey why not push the boundaries of what's Ok a little bit. Its my nature. I’ve spent some looking through these threads and frankly most of them sound like a bunch of high school boys who have never done nothing but looked a porn magazines running around chasing girls.

A real sigma man does not chase girls, appears needy, or sounds desperate. Women chase sigma men, sigma men don’t chase women. To start with, if you want to turn a women off then appear needy. When you appear desperate or needy to a woman her mommy switch will shut on immediately and instead of saying please slam me on the bed she wants to take care for you and pet you. Of course that also depends on her age range.

Good grief, haven't any of you people watched Rollo Tomassi https://youtu.be/tOlxSBPkvz0

This forum sounds like another bunch of desperate guys try to get a quick hookup. I really would like to see this forum be high quality. I personally don’t need another woman in my life but for every one else here, I really would like to see tons of girls circling this forum like a bunch of sharks looking for real sigma guys. Maybe this forum can be used as a way to connect. 

 

Okay, then don't chase/approach women. If you are currently happy in a relationship or have a wide selection of high quality women at your disposal, then you don't need to do anything.

However, being proactive for something you want helps the likelyhood of getting it sooner or even at all.

A person can increase their chances of obtaining something they want by going out and getting it.

If they want to lose weight, they excersise. If they want to eat good quality food, they need to learn how cook. If they want to start a business, they need to develope a product or service then actively search for those who need it.

Approaching is just another way a man can be proactive on something he wants. 

A Sigma Male is self-sufficient. If he wants something, he has to physically go get it himself because he doesn't want to rely on others to provide it for him.

Sigma's are also humans, thus, they need intimate relationships. The fastest way to get that intimate interaction is by approaching.

You don't "need" to chase/approach women, however, it increases your chances of intimacy through physical interaction if you do.

This forum is for men who want to be proactive in every aspect of their lives including increasing their success with women. Men don't need to approach women, but the ones who do have more success with them.

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10 hours ago, He-man said:

I see what you saying the way I see it is learning the signals girls give regarding attraction and acting on that, that's not chasing it's an invitation. Hunting in the street not my thing may work on it but not that interested I'll wait and see what I notice when out and about. 

All the best. 

Yes. All am really trying to say is don't act like an alpha male. Sigma's have a certain nature about them that will draw women to you and they are much more reserved. They normally are not out going up and down the streets try to snatch all the girls they can. It seems to me that the message given here is to do that. 

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20 minutes ago, ChompChomp said:

Yes. All am really trying to say is don't act like an alpha male. Sigma's have a certain nature about them that will draw women to you and they are much more reserved. They normally are not out going up and down the streets try to snatch all the girls they can. It seems to me that the message given here is to do that. 

It doesn't matter whats normal or not normal when results come from being proactive. If a man has to go up and down the road to find the right women, then so be it. The more women he puts himself infront of, the better chance of success he will have. Strategy is also important to increase the odds of success when he does approach though. This is why Steve offers his startegies that many men on this forum want to learn. But there is no point to have a strategy if you don't put yourself out there in the first place. Since the success rate can be low with cold approach, you have to approach many women to be successful.

My idea also applies to other aspects of life.

If I am unemployed, the more jobs I apply for, the higher the probability of me getting a job. There is a high risk of failure, which is the reason why I need to apply at mutiple places rather than just two.

If I move to another city or country and want to make friends, I have to talk to different people at social gatherings to increase my chances of develping friendships. The more people I talk to better quality of friends I can make.

There are many other examples, however, you get my point. The more opportunites you put yourself infront of, the more successful you'll be.

Walking up and down the street looking for a potential mate isn't desperate, it just increases the odds of success.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, ChompChomp said:

Yes. All am really trying to say is don't act like an alpha male. Sigma's have a certain nature about them that will draw women to you and they are much more reserved. They normally are not out going up and down the streets try to snatch all the girls they can. It seems to me that the message given here is to do that. 

Friend, dont wed urself to ideology.  Real men do what they want and face th e consequences.

If u wanna talk to a hottie on a street go for it.  If u don't then don't.  You govern your life, not a set of arbitrary rules

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