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Steve Jabba
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I'm not taking it. Here are my reasons:

  • I've had Covid already and presume I have natural defences against it.
  • The virus is nothing to worry about in any case.
  • There are numerous readily available, cheap prophylactics.  Vit C megadose, Zinc and Quercetin.  Possibly Ivermectin.
  • The vaccine cannot possibly have been tested as thoroughly as some of the well known vacines from years ago.
  • The vaccine is tied to well known population control advocates.  The companies that produce the vaccine have no liability.
  • I do not trust Governments, and much less so since this whole Corona bullshit started up.
  • They are pushing like crazy to get us all vaccinated.  I will therefore deliberately ignore their advice and do the exact opposite because I loathe anyone trying to tell me what to do.
  • The "vaccine" is not a vaccine and does not prevent you getting Covid anyway, which as I have already established is nothing to worry about. So what, precisely, is the point of taking it?
  • There have been numerous well publicised instances of problems arising from taking the vaccine.
  • I wonder what will happen to the vaccinated in the winter, when the normal flu season starts again...
  • At the present moment, the vaccine does not allow you to travel more easily anyway.  Again - why bother?

That is sufficient to get us started.  

Surely some of you must have some thoughts on this? It is one of the most pressing issues of our time I believe.

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No vaccine for me. 
Created too quickly, not effective against new variants of the virus, does not protect our loved ones from being contaminated by us, treatment with Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin which is a cheaper and more effective alternative proposed since 2020 by Professor Didier Raoult... 
See the youtube channel of IHU meditérannée de Marseille (recently raided by the police, that's how much the government tries to block its solution) which publishes every month its new data in relation to the study of the virus (in French) Where patients live on average treated patients live after 82 years (longer than the average life span)
He also discovered that American minks are carriers and transmitters of the virus to humans.

https://www.youtube.com/user/ifr48

I found a French documentary made by an independent team (sorry no translation for this video too)

https://www.touscensures.fr/

About the video :

The messenger RNA "vaccine" against Covid-19...
For or against?
Should the French be forced to vaccinate?

These are the questions that the "Tous Vaccinés?" survey asks specialists in their field, giving a fair voice to the "pros" and "cons", so that each Internet user can form an informed opinion.

Directed by independent journalist and cameraman Armel Joubert des Ouches and produced by Annette Christol, Tous Vaccinés? is a citizen's journalistic work that starts without any starting point and ends without any instructions. To our knowledge, their approach is unprecedented. No guilt-tripping, no conspiracy, no infantilization of the French: just the facts, in the service of the truth, which is necessarily very complex. Tous Vaccinés ? will disturb the supporters of an official truth as well as those of a too simple truth.

Censored by Dailymotion, Ulule (on which we were counting to finance the film) and Facebook, dereferenced by Google and YouTube, "TousVaccines.fr" becomes "TousCensures.fr"! 

 

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We are not talking about a virus like Hepatitis B or some shit like that, so why the hurry. If you are a boomer that is closer to his grave than his birth, yeah take the vaccine. As a young lad, I'm not in a rush to take any sort of vaccine for a virus that has a 99% survival rate. I'll take the vaccine one day if I have to, but I'll be the laggard in the population. In the meantime let these pharmaboys extend their research on what they've thrown out there on the marketplace.

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Just now, YouSmallFish said:

she's vomiting and shitting on the floor

Not a single problem here, no siree. 

All a giant fuss over nothing.  Ridiculous. 

I am still undecided if there is something more sinister going on, but I absolutely don't buy into all the hype about this daft little virus.  What a load of cobblers. "Overwhelm the health service" - what utter shite!

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2 hours ago, Steve Jabba said:

Not a single problem here, no siree. 

All a giant fuss over nothing.  Ridiculous. 

I am still undecided if there is something more sinister going on, but I absolutely don't buy into all the hype about this daft little virus.  What a load of cobblers. "Overwhelm the health service" - what utter shite!

Seems like she is experiencing the same symptoms when some of our family members (including me) had a "(strange) flue" in 02/2020. Mother needed respiration as well, hospital said it was not covid, just a flue. lol.

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https://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/maybe-were-all-conspiracy-theorists/

"There was a time, when I was younger, when I was confident that I knew how to tell a barmy belief from a rational deduction. I have lost some of that confidence.

This has been caused partly by the frequent experience of having friends who share my view on one issue but then suddenly reveal a view on another issue that is anathema to me. I don't believe in ghosts, says a friend, but there is definitely something to homeopathy; or God does not run evolution, but the government should run the economy. Like me, Mr. Shermer is an economic conservative and a social liberal, so he encounters this dissonance a lot.

Mr. Shermer offers a handy guide for those who are confused. Conspiracy theories are usually bunk when they are too complex, require too many people to be involved, ratchet up from small events to grand effects, assign portentous meanings to innocuous events, express strong suspicion of either governments or companies, attribute too much power to individuals or generate no further evidence as time goes by.

Sure. But those are the easy cases. What about the harder ones?

Take climate change. Here is Mr. Shermer's final diagnostic of a wrong conspiracy theory: "The conspiracy theorist defends the conspiracy theory tenaciously to the point of refusing to consider alternative explanations for the events in question, rejecting all disconfirming evidence for his theory and blatantly seeking only confirmatory evidence to support what he has already determined to be the truth."

This describes many of those who strive to blame most climate change on man-made carbon dioxide emissions. Of course, they reply that it also describes those who strive to blame most climate change on the sun.

That's how belief systems work: On both sides, there is huge belief, buttressed by confirmation bias, and equally huge belief that the belief and the conspiracy are all on the other side. Rick Perry, Al Gore-each thinks the other is a mad conspiracy theorist who will not let the facts get in the way of prejudices. Maybe both are right."

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6 hours ago, European Rob said:

That's how belief systems work: On both sides, there is huge belief, buttressed by confirmation bias, and equally huge belief that the belief and the conspiracy are all on the other side. Rick Perry, Al Gore-each thinks the other is a mad conspiracy theorist who will not let the facts get in the way of prejudices. Maybe both are right."

As I've said, I am still not gonna call it yet.  Is it Great Reset time, or not? I think the next few months will be critical.

Where do you stand? Just incompetence, over-cautioness and stupidity..Or is something much more sinister going on?

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4 hours ago, Steve Jabba said:

As I've said, I am still not gonna call it yet.  Is it Great Reset time, or not? I think the next few months will be critical.

Where do you stand? Just incompetence, over-cautioness and stupidity..Or is something much more sinister going on?

Well you do get a higher antibody titer from the successful mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, unlike the less successful CureVac one) than from infection with SARS-CoV-2:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01661-0

"At 12 micrograms, the vaccine proved more tolerable, and all recipients developed antibodies that blocked the virus from entering cells3. But the levels of those ‘neutralizing’ antibodies were relatively low — on a par with the amounts found in people who have recovered from SARS-CoV-2 infections, but well below the levels seen in recipients of the Moderna and Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines, which are both given at higher doses."

But if you are under 50 then SARS-CoV-2 will probably just affect you like a seasonal flu, so as long as you are not doing anything strenuous like running a marathon, then you probably won't even notice the heart and lung inflammation. It's only under 50s that are doing Iron-man contests (or taking loads of coke) that have heart attacks after the flu, so 99% or under 50s don't have to worry.

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I received a PM from a member who attempted to troll me that I am not taking Covid seriously and the vaccine is "kind of important".

I told him not to worry and immediately disabled his messenger.  You don't get to message me to troll and get away with it. 😃

Anyway, I beg to differ. I had CV 19, and shook it off in about 36 hours.  Felt a little off for a week or so after but now it's as if I never had it.

It's just a minor virus.  Nothing more, and not worth destroying the entire world.

In other news, publisher Bloomsbury (they produce the Harry Potter books) has made the vaccine mandatory for workers returning to work.

Let's hope they get boycotted into oblivion.  I can see a lot of negative publicity coming their way.

I'm in two minds about the UK.  It's my birthplace, and it's a beautiful country.  But I hate what the policitians have been doing to destroy it for years on end, with aggressively foisted multiculturalism, propping up house prices no matter what, and now all of this Covid garbage.

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6 minutes ago, Steve Jabba said:

It's just a minor virus.  Nothing more, and not worth destroying the entire world.

There is definitely an over reaction, as pointed out by the excellent Matt Ridley:

https://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/repeating-post-war-mistakes/

"Three years after the second world war ended, the government was still micromanaging the decisions of consumers. Incredibly, it was nine years of peace before rationing ceased altogether. Bread was rationed for the first time in 1946, potatoes in 1947. Only then did the slow liberalisation of shopping begin. Flour was derationed in 1948, clothes in 1949, petrol, soap, dried fruit, chocolate biscuits, treacle, syrup, jellies and mincemeat in 1950, tea in 1952, sweets in 1953, cheese and meat in 1954. The black market thrived.

The reluctant withdrawal of the state from rationing (and the even longer persistence of price controls, wage controls, exchange controls and central planning generally) infuriated at least some of the British people, though much of the anger was, as now, directed at cheating rather than the rules. The Ealing comedies of the time are suffused with dreams of liberation and rebellion against the tyrannical inspectors that plagued people’s lives. In Passport to Pimlico (1949), a self-governing micro-state abolishes rationing and a pub crowd tear up their ration books in the face of a furious policeman.

‘We risk allowing officials to cling on to their beloved levers of control for too long’

Conventional wisdom has it that Britain’s slow return to normality was inevitable, given the country’s need to earn foreign exchange to pay for imports. But across the North Sea a very different experiment was tried. Ludwig Erhard was the effective finance minister of West Germany under allied military control. A keen follower of Friedrich Hayek, he believed that central planning was a disaster (‘the more the state plans, the more difficult planning becomes for the individual’) and that rationing was the cause, not the effect, of shortages. Erhard announced, a month after Wilson’s complicated speech, that he was abolishing almost all rationing and price and wage controls with immediate effect. He introduced a new currency the same day. He told Germans: ‘Now your only ration coupon is the mark.’

Erhard chose a Sunday, 20 June, to make his announcement, knowing his military masters would be off duty. The British, Americans and French were aghast. One US colonel complained that he had no right to alter a system of price controls imposed by the allies. ‘I have not relaxed rationing; I have abolished it!’ came the reply. General Lucius Clay, the US commander, telephoned him to say: ‘Herr Erhard, my advisers tell me you’re making a terrible mistake.’ Erhard: ‘My advisers tell me the same thing.’.."

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Just now, European Rob said:

There is definitely an over reaction, as pointed out by the excellent Matt Ridley:

https://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/repeating-post-war-mistakes/

Good stuff.  I do wish you'd quoted the later part of the article.  Here it is : 

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When things are controlled by bureaucrats, it takes a real effort of imagination to envisage them not being so. We assume that in the absence of direction, chaos must ensue, forgetting the lessons of economics. ‘How does Paris get fed?’ asked Frédéric Bastiat in 1845, and answered: not through the efforts of brilliant and omniscient food commissioners — that way lies inevitable disaster — but through a market that blindly matches demand with supply and thereby summons up the collective genius of millions of ordinary people.

With few exceptions, the tribe of academic scientists and hospital doctors which now controls our government has literally never heard such arguments. Their worldview is a top-down one: they assume things happen because somebody ordains that things happen. Spontaneous order is a foreign concept to them. This is surprising, given that it is the essence of evolution, but when it comes to society they are in thrall to intelligent-design theories. They are political creationists.

So of course the scientists will hesitate to recommend liberation. The politicians must bear this in mind. Erhard’s motto, said one later economist, could have been ‘Don’t just sit there, undo something’. This year, by happy coincidence, 20 June is also a Sunday and is the day before the date on which we were promised the abolition of all restrictions — before the backtracking began.

Erhard’s lesson is that the best way to bring in reforms is fast. The best way to get rid of rules is all at once. The best time to liberalise an economy is far sooner than the experts think you should. Who will make a new version of Passport to Pimlico, with a gleeful crowd in a pub tearing up vaccine passports in the face of a bossy policeman?

 

 

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The man with the worlds highest tested IQ (195), Christopher Langan chimes in with his thoughts on the not vaccine and what they are up to.   He's already concluded it IS more sinister and clearly has nothing to do with a poxy little virus.

christopher langan vaccine thougths.jpeg

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Ted kaczynski with his manifesto 'Industrial Society and its future', comes across a more intelligent and ironically less paranoid read than what this conspiracy fellow spouts. I have demur about his guy's post and his intelligence. 

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I'm not ready to call it for depopulation or the Great Reset. Yet.  
If they keep banging on about new variants, then cyber attacks, then food shortages...Then it's on.

Meanwhile, Bumble informs us that skipping the vaccine could cost you sex.  Shock horror.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/skipping-the-covid-19-vaccine-could-cost-you-sex-bumble-survey-warns/ar-AALaslF

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Along with other large US dating apps such as Tinder, Hinge, Match, OkCupid, BLK, Chispa, Plenty of Fish, and Badoo, Bumble is implementing new features to encourage people to get vaccinated. A "Vaccinated" badge, for example, launching this summer, will allow Bumble's US and UK users to indicate that they've received the vaccine on their profile. 

Bumble will also offer complimentary credits for premium features to those who enable the "Vaccinated" badge. These will include giving them the Spotlight, which advances their profiles to the top of the stack, and SuperSwipe, which lets them signal to a potential match that they stand out.

Bumble's research suggests the pandemic has dramatically altered social and sexual interactions

In the survey, commissioned by Bumble and carried out online in May by research company Censuswide, 91% of respondents said they believed there was no longer a stigma attached to meeting someone online or through a dating app since the pandemic began. 

In another survey, conducted by Research Without Barriers in 2021, 62% of respondents said it was important for them to talk about key social issues on a first date, such as gender equality, politics, race or the environment. And 75% of respondents said they would only date someone if a majority of their political and social views align. No one, unfortunately, said anything about socks.

I haven't dated a UK girl in a long time, and I wonder if the reality on the ground is very different to the muck you see on sites like the linked one above.  Women say one thing...But where it really matters do they believe it? I doubt it. They're herd creatures, they go with the prevailing opinion.

 

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Duterte, President of Phillipines states that you WILL receive the vaccine or you will go to jail (where you will be vaccinated), or you will be forcibly vaccinated in your buttocks:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/philippines-duterte-threatens-those-who-refuse-covid-19-vaccine-with-jail-2021-06-21/

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"Don't get me wrong, there is a crisis in this country," Duterte said. "I'm just exasperated by Filipinos not heeding the government."

 

As of June 20, Philippine authorities had fully vaccinated 2.1 million people, making slow progress towards the government's target to immunise up to 70 million people this year in a country of 110 million.

What a piece of shit. Someone is going to assasinate him before too long.

I'm waiting to see what happens in the West.  If they carry on with this  it's going to be war time.  They need to feel fear.  They need to know we can get to them.

I cannot believe everyone is just going to roll over and let this continue.

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On 6/21/2021 at 6:07 AM, Steve Jabba said:

Meanwhile, Bumble informs us that skipping the vaccine could cost you sex.  Shock horror.

Maybe "no sex" is better than meeting women who will potentially get side effects from the vaccine later in the relationship...

But still... What a bunch of as*****s these app !
 

 

A little bit of research, to add a little more vaccine material to this topic. From a comment found on youtube. 

 

First post-mortem case study of a patient vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2: "Viral RNA found in every organ of the body".

The person relies on this article (sorry it's in French)

https://nouveau-monde.ca/premier-cas-detude-post-mortem-dun-patient-vaccine-contre-le-sras-cov-2-arn-viral-trouve-dans-chaque-organe-du-corps/

"People think that only a minority of people experience adverse effects from the vaccine. According to this new research, this means that everyone - eventually - will have adverse reactions, because these Spike proteins will bind to ACE2 receptors throughout the body.

This mRNA was supposed to stay at the injection site, but it does not. This means that the Spike proteins created by the mRNA will also be found in all organs, and we now know that it is the Spike proteins that cause the damage.

Worse still, the presence of viral mRNA in all organs, despite a vaccine, indicates :
- either the vaccine is not working at all;
- or that the virus benefits from antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), which means that it spreads more rapidly in vaccinated people."

 

Hope the study is wrong...

 

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The English version

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/global-time-bomb-first-case-of-postmortem-study-of-patient-vaccinated-against-sars-cov-2-mrna-found-in-every-organ-of-the-body

"Yes there will be deaths, but in my opinion no more than now, the goal is not to create a massacre, when in fact there are very few people vaccinated, which would definitely scare the planet, so goodbye vaccines, the plan falls apart.

The first goal is this SPIKE protein, which will install a chronic inflammation in all the vaccinated people and the important point, it will be hereditary since the information will be found in the DNA, and as any good oncologist will tell you, cancers and the majority of diseases, it is above all an acidity of the organism resulting directly from a chronic inflammation.

A small aside concerning cancer cells, they hate oxygen, but love CO², so you now understand the purpose of the mask?

In short, the reduction of the population will be done well by vaccination, but it will be done slowly, it is necessary to frighten people with the covid, but especially not with the vaccines"

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Corona has been real, especially at the beginning. I know personally people (few) who have bad backside effects from covid illness.

After few months (let's say May 2020) the virus was much more lighter than the beginning.

In my opinion now is more taking a chance for educate the populations to be scanned and controlled.

For various reasons for now i have followed the rules and i have done my first dose of vaccine (i hope it give me a bonus on traveliing 😅)

I'm not worried about my health to much for this vaccine... i eat/drink/breathe shit everyday... my life is in God's hands! 😄

I don't believe in their tests too much... i always remember this spot for DDT:

 

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On 6/22/2021 at 2:12 PM, Steve Jabba said:

Duterte, President of Phillipines states that you WILL receive the vaccine or you will go to jail (where you will be vaccinated), or you will be forcibly vaccinated in your buttocks:

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/philippines-duterte-threatens-those-who-refuse-covid-19-vaccine-with-jail-2021-06-21/

What a piece of shit. Someone is going to assasinate him before too long.

I'm waiting to see what happens in the West.  If they carry on with this  it's going to be war time.  They need to feel fear.  They need to know we can get to them.

I cannot believe everyone is just going to roll over and let this continue.

Living in Manila, we are the only country that requires masks on top of shields and everyone just follows. It's a mess.

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9 hours ago, Tuco said:

Living in Manila, we are the only country that requires masks on top of shields and everyone just follows. It's a mess.

So it's not all hyperbole from the press.  It's actually as bad as they're making out. 

If you're ever of a mind, you could maybe do a little review of life in Manila in the city guides section.  Would be invaluable I think. 

Sorry to hear about it Tuco.

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More reasons not to take the not vaxx to add to my existing lengthy list.  

Long story short, flight cancellations are increasing at a staggering rate. 

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At British Airways, at least four pilots have died this week, but the airline wants you to know that their deaths are totally unrelated; Reuter’s and Fact Checkers are working hard to dispel any rumors that the pilots could have died from the COVID-19 vaccine. British Airways boasts that 85% of its employees are vaccinated. Airlines are so quick to obey the COVID-19 vaccine narrative that they forget the welfare of their own employees is at stake.

According to flightaware.com, 120,000 cancellations per year is the average for global flights. An average day would see 329 cancellations. A 2 day average would see 658 cancellations. But between Friday and Saturday, 3,533 cancellations occurred. That’s a 580% increase in cancellations globally in the past 2 days.

I just checked the website.  You can do it yourself here : https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled/today

3846 flights cancelled today.  That's a 1000% increase than the average.

How are they dying? 

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Pilots have an increased risk of blood clots. COVID-19 vaccine recipients have an increased risk of blood clots. Reuter’s and Fact Checkers cannot hide the fact that an increased risk on top of an increased risk is potentially a disaster, but neither has any regard for human life or the truth, as evidenced by the propaganda they’re currently creating by the minute.

Coincidence? We'll see.  This isn't the sort of story that can easily be hidden or obfuscated.  

I'm more determined than ever that I will not be taking any vaccine.

 

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